The Telegraph: Floods are judgment on society - CofE Bishops
If any further evidence were needed for the conclusion that the Church of England is losing the plot, one only has to read this article in The Telegraph:
The Rt Rev Graham Dow, Bishop of Carlisle, argued that the floods are not just a result of a lack of respect for the planet, but also a judgment on society’s moral decadence.
“This is a strong and definite judgment because the world has been arrogant in going its own way,” he said. “We are reaping the consequences of our moral degradation, as well as the environmental damage that we have caused.”
and
“In the Bible, institutional power is referred to as ‘the beast’, which sets itself up to control people and their morals. Our government has been playing the role of God in saying that people are free to act as they want,” he said, adding that the introduction of recent pro-gay laws highlighted its determination to undermine marriage.
“The sexual orientation regulations [which give greater rights to gays] are part of a general scene of permissiveness. We are in a situation where we are liable for God’s judgment, which is intended to call us to repentance.”
Really, how can anybody take these windbags seriously? They’re starting to sound like their wingnut cousins across the water. And, these idiots are allowed to sit in the House of Lords and make laws?!
July 1st, 2007 at 2:34 pm
In case anyone’s interested, I recently posted about gay marriage and it can be found at http://bubbasoundsoff.com/2007/06/24/deflating-dobsons-rhetoric/
Bubba
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:37 am
Hah!
I couldn’t agree more … windbags, indeed!
But what about looking at it from this point of view: if we are indeed all responsible for our lives, hence for what we do, what we think, and - also - for what we feel, then is it not possible that quantum theory’s concept of inter-relatedness, i.e., we are all one if we go back down to the most sub-atomic particles (already fore-shadowed by Sheldrake and morphogenetic fields, popularized into the 100th Monkey idea), that therefore, we are also responsible for the well-being of the planet, not only as viewed from the position of Kyoto Treaty proponents, but also from the point of view of our inner self??
In other - massively - simplified words, if enough of us think gloom and doom, then is it not possible that this will have an effect on the globe? Likewise, meditation experiments carried out in Washington, DC. and other cities, demonstrated that crime figures could go down as a consequence. Hence, again - massively simplified - would it not hold true that if we all held ourselves in our highest state of well-being, and in order to get there, evidently, we all would work on ourselves, we just might have another kind of world - on many different levels - than we currently do??
Just throwing thought out there…
Cheers!
Gabriella Kortsch in Marbella, Spain
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:41 pm
“In other - massively - simplified words, if enough of us think gloom and doom, then is it not possible that this will have an effect on the globe?”
Um, no, that’s not possible.
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Not possible?
Isn’t that a limiting point of view? Have you looked at recent research in quantum physics? The effect of thought on DNA in > research?
Cheers!
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pm
sorry, above comment is missing the qualifier “empirical” before research.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:31 pm
There seem to be a lot of “what if”s there, implied if not explicit.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:46 pm
Where are the “what if’s” in quantum physics?
Cheers!
Gabriella
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:23 pm
I was talking about the “what if”s in your claims.
Also known as weasel words.
Sure, if you can provide firm and credible evidence (perhaps with double blinds and controls) to back up your claim, go for it. I’m sure that there are research grants aplenty available for this field. At the moment, it looks like pure mumbo jumbo.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Well, call quantum physics “mumbo-jumbo” if you wish. Kind of like calling Copernicus’ heliocentric model of the solar system the ravings of an heretic…
Cheers!
Gabriella
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:26 pm
I’m not talking about QM, and I have deliberately, up to this point, not mentioned it. I was referring, as I mentioned previously, only and exclusively to your claims.
My point remains: provide evidence to back up your claims. If you don’t, I’ll just have to confine further replies to the great Akismet bucket in the sky.
One further point: you don’t have any idea of my background, experience or education, so please don’t insult me and demean yourself by attempting to call into question what you presume to think what I may or may not know about any subject, including QM or celestial mechanics.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:41 pm
I’m afraid I made no claims…simply brought the topic of quantum physics to the table since my initial post. Nor was there the slightest intent to do anything other than have what I hoped to be an interesting exchange with what I hoped to be an interesting person on what I hoped to be an interesting blog.
Sorry you misread me.
I guess that ends this one for me.
Cheers!
Gabriella
July 4th, 2007 at 5:15 am
“They’re starting to sound like their wingnut cousins across the water.” I am torn . . . should I be dismayed that you too now have to endure this tripe, or do I derive odd pleasure knowing that others are beginning to share in my suffering?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Hi T O,
I’d like to think that it’s the former: that’s what we hope for you! :-)
July 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Gabriella,
If that was indeed your premise, then I can only accept it at face value. From reading some of your own output, it seems obvious that this is a subject of interest to you, although I do find some of your angles and framing quite mind-bending.
Nevertheless, you presumed too much when you came here to discuss a topic that was neither mentioned in my original post, nor is something that I have at any time expressed any particular interest in. To me, your original comment was what I might consider blog spam.
If I ever do develop an interest in that particular line of enquiry, our paths may again cross. Until then, I will concern myself only with things that interest me: I have no desire to engage with you, nor anyone else, on the topic you mention.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
But what about looking at it from this point of view: if we are indeed all responsible for our lives, hence for what we do, what we think, and - also - for what we feel, then is it not possible that quantum theory’s concept of inter-relatedness, i.e., we are all one if we go back down to the most sub-atomic particles (already fore-shadowed by Sheldrake and morphogenetic fields, popularized into the 100th Monkey idea), that therefore, we are also responsible for the well-being of the planet, not only as viewed from the position of Kyoto Treaty proponents, but also from the point of view of our inner self??
Ladies and gentlemen, she’s shilling for “The Secret.”
July 4th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
AV dude, I was trying to be polite. ;-)
July 7th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Blimey a post about the wingnutter from the Good Old CofE and you land yourself a shill. Amazing :-)
I saw some news footage of the the Anglicans trying to defend what the Nutter of Carlisle said, it just added more woo on to the original nonsense - going on about “our” god-inspired duty to look after the planet etc.
Apparently they were worried that people who had lost family members or belongings in the floods would be offended by the implication that god had punished them for being miscreants. What they basically ended up saying was the Christian God is an arbitrarily vengeful psychopath…
As for the semi-tame woo-spreader Gabriella, she shows some brilliant debating style. I especially like the way she brings QM in (as if it supports he claims) then when you rebutt her original new-age woo, she tries to deflect it to a criticism of QM. Can she not read? (I really did love the way she felt the need to add “PhD” to the subsequent posts…)
Oh, how I missed the Internet while I was away :-)
July 8th, 2007 at 12:04 am
Welcome back TW. We missed you. :)