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		<title>By: nullifidian</title>
		<link>http://www.nullifidian.net/2008/11/27/another-christian-not-quite-getting-it/comment-page-1/#comment-7087</link>
		<dc:creator>nullifidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew I&#039;d &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irreligion.org/2007/12/30/i-dont-respect-your-religion/#comment-3459&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;read&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://scragged.com/articles/christopher-hitchens-doesnt-get-it.aspx&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thejesusmyth.com/why-do-i-care-about-religion.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;somewhere&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eloquentatheist.com/?p=30#comment-40&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;before&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/09/09/why-non-belief-is-the-rational-position-to-take/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;elsewhere&lt;/a&gt;. 
 
Wow, you don&#039;t half get some mileage from that one comment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew I&#039;d <a href="http://www.irreligion.org/2007/12/30/i-dont-respect-your-religion/#comment-3459" target="_blank">read</a> <a href="http://scragged.com/articles/christopher-hitchens-doesnt-get-it.aspx" target="_blank">this</a> <a href="http://www.thejesusmyth.com/why-do-i-care-about-religion.htm" target="_blank">somewhere</a> <a href="http://www.eloquentatheist.com/?p=30#comment-40" target="_blank">before</a> <a href="http://www.wayofthemind.org/2007/09/09/why-non-belief-is-the-rational-position-to-take/" target="_blank">elsewhere</a>. </p>
<p>Wow, you don&#039;t half get some mileage from that one comment.</p>
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		<title>By: bipolar2</title>
		<link>http://www.nullifidian.net/2008/11/27/another-christian-not-quite-getting-it/comment-page-1/#comment-7086</link>
		<dc:creator>bipolar2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>** Atheism is not a religion . . .  not a quasi-religion . . . not even an association ** 
 
&#8226; The word &#039;theism&#039; is an abstraction about an abstraction, religion. 
 
&#039;Theism&#039; is an abstract noun which collectively refers to every religion which espouses the existence of at least one god, usually one having a personality, which interacts meaningfully with human beings. 
 
The group of theistic religions would include: Xianity, Judaism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, ancient Greco-Roman polytheisms. It would not include: Theravada Buddhism or Chinese ancestor worship or Deism. These are non-theistic religions. 
 
Theist and atheist alike can agree about which religions are theistic. Religions are reasonably well-defined &quot;objects&quot; (associations) which can be discriminated and counted. Such agreements, shared by supposedly antithetical camps, are for me &quot;the salt which never loses its savour.&quot; 
 
Atheism is essentially a viewpoint which denies that any god whatsoever exists. For the Big-4 Near Eastern monotheisms, the atheist claims that of God and Yaweh, Ahura Mazda and Allah, not one of them exists. These fictional characters have no greater status as existing entities than Gilgamesh and Zeus, Sherlock Holmes and Batman. 
 
&#8226; A religion is a praxis. 
 
Let&#039;s be clear. Theism is not a religion. Atheism is not a religion either. 
 
One defining characteristic of &#039;religion&#039; is that it form a recognizable social unit sharing common cultic practices, mythological and ideological commitments, corporate action, identifiable from within and without. 
 
Despite its theistic stance, the Boy Scouts of America is not a religion. It is however a voluntary association. Of course, there are voluntary associations, like the BHA, which espouse atheism. 
 
Atheism embodies no common praxis -- it has no creeds, no rituals, it has no common symbols, no outward means of identification. Atheism is not even a voluntary association.  
 
To call atheism a religion simply commits an elementary category mistake. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>** Atheism is not a religion . . .  not a quasi-religion . . . not even an association ** </p>
<p>&bull; The word &#039;theism&#039; is an abstraction about an abstraction, religion. </p>
<p>&#039;Theism&#039; is an abstract noun which collectively refers to every religion which espouses the existence of at least one god, usually one having a personality, which interacts meaningfully with human beings. </p>
<p>The group of theistic religions would include: Xianity, Judaism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, ancient Greco-Roman polytheisms. It would not include: Theravada Buddhism or Chinese ancestor worship or Deism. These are non-theistic religions. </p>
<p>Theist and atheist alike can agree about which religions are theistic. Religions are reasonably well-defined &quot;objects&quot; (associations) which can be discriminated and counted. Such agreements, shared by supposedly antithetical camps, are for me &quot;the salt which never loses its savour.&quot; </p>
<p>Atheism is essentially a viewpoint which denies that any god whatsoever exists. For the Big-4 Near Eastern monotheisms, the atheist claims that of God and Yaweh, Ahura Mazda and Allah, not one of them exists. These fictional characters have no greater status as existing entities than Gilgamesh and Zeus, Sherlock Holmes and Batman. </p>
<p>&bull; A religion is a praxis. </p>
<p>Let&#039;s be clear. Theism is not a religion. Atheism is not a religion either. </p>
<p>One defining characteristic of &#039;religion&#039; is that it form a recognizable social unit sharing common cultic practices, mythological and ideological commitments, corporate action, identifiable from within and without. </p>
<p>Despite its theistic stance, the Boy Scouts of America is not a religion. It is however a voluntary association. Of course, there are voluntary associations, like the BHA, which espouse atheism. </p>
<p>Atheism embodies no common praxis &#8212; it has no creeds, no rituals, it has no common symbols, no outward means of identification. Atheism is not even a voluntary association.  </p>
<p>To call atheism a religion simply commits an elementary category mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: nullifidian</title>
		<link>http://www.nullifidian.net/2008/11/27/another-christian-not-quite-getting-it/comment-page-1/#comment-7074</link>
		<dc:creator>nullifidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I should have said that there &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; a reply, but it contained nothing useful.  Mea culpa. 
 
I may revisit this later.  Doubtful though.  The original post was ages ago, I probably shouldn&#039;t have commented on it at all, but I just couldn&#039;t stand to see blatent misrepresentations (and various fawning suppliants) go unanswered. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I should have said that there <i>was</i> a reply, but it contained nothing useful.  Mea culpa. </p>
<p>I may revisit this later.  Doubtful though.  The original post was ages ago, I probably shouldn&#39;t have commented on it at all, but I just couldn&#39;t stand to see blatent misrepresentations (and various fawning suppliants) go unanswered.</p>
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		<title>By: T_W</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is no response (ever) it will be a shame but certainly not surprising. You are probably right to ignore him now. 
 
Still, I&#039;d be tempted to revisit and goad occasionally........ </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is no response (ever) it will be a shame but certainly not surprising. You are probably right to ignore him now. </p>
<p>Still, I&#039;d be tempted to revisit and goad occasionally&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: nullifidian</title>
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		<dc:creator>nullifidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers.  I did take a quick look back at the InsaneCleric&#039;s blog post to see if there was any follow-up, but he&#039;d totally failed to address any of the points I made.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll bother saying anything else to him.  Contrary to my previous opinion, I don&#039;t think he&#039;s particularly keen on changing his opinion.  And I really did have such high hopes... the na&#239;vity of the atheist, eh? ;-) 
 
As for the bigots, if one&#039;s talking about the hard-core elements of the various abrahamic religions, then it&#039;s probably shrewd to consider that they each have the a common core in bronze age desert goatherd mythology, despite the extra &quot;fluff&quot; they added later (i.e. meek baby Jesus for the christians, ball crusher Mohammed for the muslims). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers.  I did take a quick look back at the InsaneCleric&#039;s blog post to see if there was any follow-up, but he&#039;d totally failed to address any of the points I made.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll bother saying anything else to him.  Contrary to my previous opinion, I don&#039;t think he&#039;s particularly keen on changing his opinion.  And I really did have such high hopes&#8230; the na&iuml;vity of the atheist, eh? ;-) </p>
<p>As for the bigots, if one&#039;s talking about the hard-core elements of the various abrahamic religions, then it&#039;s probably shrewd to consider that they each have the a common core in bronze age desert goatherd mythology, despite the extra &quot;fluff&quot; they added later (i.e. meek baby Jesus for the christians, ball crusher Mohammed for the muslims).</p>
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		<title>By: T_W</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Null, very good, measured response. The fatwa-envy is spot on. When ever the idea of removing religious privileged is mentioned, the default setting is an appeal to the fear of the dreaded islam. 
 
Ironic really, considering that the ideas often being thrown around by religious bigots is heavily supported by islam (eg. homosexuality) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Null, very good, measured response. The fatwa-envy is spot on. When ever the idea of removing religious privileged is mentioned, the default setting is an appeal to the fear of the dreaded islam. </p>
<p>Ironic really, considering that the ideas often being thrown around by religious bigots is heavily supported by islam (eg. homosexuality)</p>
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		<title>By: nullifidian</title>
		<link>http://www.nullifidian.net/2008/11/27/another-christian-not-quite-getting-it/comment-page-1/#comment-7065</link>
		<dc:creator>nullifidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed.  Fatwa envy seems to be an increasingly apparent tactic of those who consider themselves &quot;persecuted&quot; yet when pressed for numbers will happily lay claim to a large chunk of the planet&#039;s population as being &#039;on their side&#039;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.  Fatwa envy seems to be an increasingly apparent tactic of those who consider themselves &quot;persecuted&quot; yet when pressed for numbers will happily lay claim to a large chunk of the planet&#039;s population as being &#039;on their side&#039;.</p>
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		<title>By: ArthurVandelay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArthurVandelay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fatwa envy&quot; is precisely how I&#039;d sum up Mad Priest&#039;s contribution, too. Christian apologists have no sense of accountability. One whisper of criticism and they fire up the persecution mania, whining and pointing in the other direction. &quot;Look! Over there! Muzzies!&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Fatwa envy&quot; is precisely how I&#039;d sum up Mad Priest&#039;s contribution, too. Christian apologists have no sense of accountability. One whisper of criticism and they fire up the persecution mania, whining and pointing in the other direction. &quot;Look! Over there! Muzzies!&quot;</p>
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